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I HAVE A 2001 XJ8 JAGUAR. THEY TELL ME I NEED A NEW MOTOR. ...
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I HAVE A 2001 XJ8 JAGUAR. THEY TELL ME I NEED A NEW MOTOR. APPENTENTLY THE MOTOR IS GETTING AIR. THE CAR NEVER INDICATED A PROBLEM, THE ENGINE LIGHT NEVER CAME ON. THE OIL LIGHT NEVER CAME ON. IT IS STALLING BADLY.
THEY ARE GIVING ME A 10500.00 ESTIMATE COULD THAT BE?
AND WHY DID IT NOT GIVE ME SOME INDICATION OF A PROBLEM?
THANK YOU .. KC ALAMO, TX

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Status:  Closed   Value: $25
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October 12 2:55 PM (37 minutes and 19 seconds later)
         
ACCEPTEDCheck Mark
FYI - I replaced a motor in a 2000 xj8 for a good friend of mine, his wife had overheated it badly (to the point it would not run anymore) The cost of the motor was $8500.00 (remanufactured) and the labor time was 25 hours - very expensive. Not having that kind of money, he opted to have me install a used engine. When it was all said and done his expenses were a little over 3000.00 - Keep in mind if you choose this route that there is no warranty usually from the shop installing a used motor (if you can find a shop to do it). I would tend to wonder it it has a leaking plenum or a bad mass air flow meter or some other massive vacuum leak. I wonder this because the motor is stalling but it's still in running condition. There may not be a check engine light on but it could still have codes stored in memory. I would recommend having it scanned if it has not already been done. There are many computer controlled componets that could be causing the stalling problem

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October 12 3:11 PM (15 minutes and 42 seconds later)
         
THE CAR NEVER SHOWED NO SIGN OF OVERHEATING..
OR SMOKING OR ANYTHING JUST STALLING.

THE MACHANIC SAID THE FILTERS WERE DIRTY..
BUT THAT THE MANUFACTURER DID STOP USING THAT
ENGINE AFTER 2001 BECAUSE THEY WERE HAVE
A PROBLEM WITH LEAKING. I CALLED THE MANUFACTURER
AND THEY ARE TALKING TO THE DEALER.
DO YOU THINK THEY WILL HELP ME AND OR SHOULD THEY?
HAD YOU HEARD THIS BEFORE?
THANK YOU KOOKII
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October 12 4:52 PM (1 hour and 41 minutes and 13 seconds later)
         
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October 12 6:28 PM (1 hour and 36 minutes and 5 seconds later)
         
THAT IS OK... THANK YOU FOR GETTING BACK WITH ME.

HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER... CHICKEN SOUP WORKS WONDERS.... BELIEVE OR NOT ... MOM WAS RIGHT!!

THANKS

GB

KOOKII
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October 13 9:39 AM (14 hours and 55 minutes and 25 seconds later)
         
THANK YOU,, OK BACK IN APRIL 03 THIS IS WHAT THEY WROTE ON MY BILL ON WORK DONE.
"CUST. STATES WHEN DRIVING AT ABOUT 60-65 MPH IT
WILL READ SERVICE ENG. LIGHT AND ENG.PERFORMANCE LIGHT COMING ON... D DIAG. AND FOUND CODES PO 171 AND PO 174 , REPLACE MASS AIR FLOW SENSOR AND REPROGRAM ECM AND CLEAR CODES, NO MORE CODES FOUND AT THIS TIME...

THEY CHANGES LINE 1620CB SENSOR AIR
AND NJA -3558AA ELEMENT...
THAT WAS ABOUT 3500.00...

COULD THIS BE RELATED TO MY PROBLEM..
THE CAR DID ACKNOWLEDGE A PROBLEM TO ME THEN..
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October 13 10:52 AM (1 hour and 12 minutes and 41 seconds later)
         
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October 13 11:58 AM (1 hour and 6 minutes and 1 second later)
         
YES, IT HAS BEEN WORKING FINE....

HOPE EVERYTHING GOES WELL...
THANK YOU.....
GB

KOOKII
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October 13 12:56 PM (58 minutes and 55 seconds later)
         
thank you for helping me on this.. and excuse my ignorance about all of this... in dec 04..
they replaced valve cover gaskets, spark plugs and seals.. a tune up that cost me 3550.00
seal spark, seal centre, gasket cams.. seal valve..
they are now giving me the run around...
and when i call they put me on ignore..

thank you kookii


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October 13 12:59 PM (2 minutes and 27 seconds later)
         
oops i forgot... they also replaced water pump and gasket, the anti freeze and ....

thanks again

kookii
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October 13 3:33 PM (2 hours and 34 minutes and 19 seconds later)
         
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Ok - I checked all the tsb's and recalls and there is only one relating to this. It's a problem with the air return hose (Positive Crankcase Ventilation Hose) and they state that it needs to be cleaned every 10,000 miles or it can cause drivability problems.


I did not find any directly related tsb's to what is hapening here, but I did find a few symptom diag tips. They all pointed back to air management, not engine failure.

Air management sensors are:
ECTS -Engine Coolant Temp Sender
MAF - Mass Air Flow Sensor
ATS - (intake) Air Temp Sensor
Tps - throttle position sensor.

If any of these sensors are not reading properly because they are malfunctioning or there is a mechanical failure of a piece that they are attached too (Example: the induction hose for the Mass Air Flow Meter is torn so it cannot read right), can and will cause the symptoms you have described.

Since the introduction of OBDII (On Board Diagnostics 2) from 1995 up, it is much easier for us independant repair shops to determine what is wrong - provided we have our equipment updated to current.

I would strongly suggest based off of the info we have discussed, get another opinion - ESPECIALLY if the shop is putting you on ignore when you call. I am not able to physically see the vehicle but something is not making sense here. I have sent a little more info to your mail.

Edited by MastrTech on October 13 2005 at 3:52 PM

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October 14 10:39 AM (19 hours and 5 minutes and 30 seconds later)
         
Reply to Wes Harrison's Post: THANK YOU WES FOR ALL YOUR INFORMATION...

I AM PICKING UP THE CAR THIS MORNING AND I AM TAKING IT TO GET A SECOUND OPIONION. I AM SO VERY UPSET... I TELL YOU I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS CAR GOT TO THIS POINT AND NEVER GAVE ME ANY INDICATION ... NO LIGHT CAME ON... NOT EVEN THE OIL LIGHT ... NOTHING!... THIS IS NOT A STUPID CAR.. IT SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME WAY BEFORE IT GOT TO THIS POINT. I GUESS I AM WANTING SOME ANSWERS TO AT LEAST THAT... I HAD IT WORKED ON LAST DECEMBER ...COULD THAT HAVE PREVENTED THIS?.. I AM GOING TO
CALL AND TALK TO THE JAGUAR MANUFACTURER..
IT HAS 98000 MILES AND WAS PURCHASES IN JAN 2001.
I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING... THEY ARE GIVING ME AN ESTIMATE OF 11900.00 AND THAT IS
JUST FOR THE ENGINE... THEY ALREADY SAID IT WAS OUT OF WARRANTY... BUT WHY NO WARNING!!..
EVEN THE DEALERSHIP COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS WRONG UNTIL THEY OPENED IT UP....SHOULD THE LIGHT WAS COME ON? I DON'T KNOW, CALL ME
A STUPID WOMAN BUT I PAID GOOD MONEY FOR THIS CAR
TO HAVE A NEW ENGINE PUT ON IT BEFORE 100,000 MILES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR WORK... I HOPE YOU
ARE FEELING BETTER... HOW CAN A COMPENSATE YOU MORE FOR YOUR INPUT.....   AND WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST I DO,     IF ANYTHING... ?
THANK YOU AGAIN...
GB

KOOKII

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October 14 11:12 AM (33 minutes and 34 seconds later)
         
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October 19 1:42 PM (5 days and 2 hours later)
         
WES...
YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE ,, I TOOK THE CAR TO
AN INDEPENDENT AUTO REPAIR.. HE WORKS JAGUARS..
ANYWAY... HE SAID THE CAR DID NOT NEED A NEW ENGINE... IT NEEDED WHAT EVERY OTHER CAR WITH 100M MILES ON IT... HE IS CHANGING THE OIL, FILTERS, AND WORKING ON MY BRAKES.. BUT NO WHERE NEAR WHAT THESE OTHER PEOPLE HAD TOLD ME.
BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU... I AM IN AN DAZE.. PART OF ME CAN'T BELIEVE IT AND PART OF ME IS AFRAID
TO BELEIVE HIM... HE DROVE IT SAID IT HAD NO SIGN OF MAJOR PROBLEMS, DID NEED AN OIL CHANGE.. WHICH I KNEW.. HIS MACHINE DID NOT COME UP WITH ANY CODES...   I PRAY THAT HE IS CORRECT...
BUT WHY WOULD THE DEALERSHIP WANT TO PUT IN A NEW ENGINE AND ... WHY SUCH A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE..?
WHAT DO YOU THINK...
HOPE YOU ARE FEELING BETTER...
THANKS
KOOKII
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