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Sent to Car Experts March 05 10:03 PM

Hello
I recently purchased this Silver 1999 Chevrolet Tracker 2.0 liter.
Not long after I bought this truck it began running hot after loosing heat in the cabin.
I was driving to Philadelphia and noticed if I revved the engine to 3500 RPM or higher it stayed cool.
I took it to a mechanic who replaced the thermostat. On the return trip home it did the same thing after loosing heat in the cabin it runs hot unless the engine is revved at higher RPM’s.
I removed the thermostat and it ran cool the whole time but of course there was no heat without the thermostat.
I returned it to the place I purchased it they back flushed the heater core and replaced the thermostat with a 160f instead of the 180f and the car did not overheat but again it only had heat briefly in the cabin.
I replaced the bottom hose and the top blew on my way back to the dealer.
They replaced the temperature sensor and put another 180f thermostat in, back flushed the system and put red antifreeze in. they told me they have replaced the radiator and water pump and fan clutch.
I continued to have the same problem with the engine first loosing heat in the cabin and then running hot unless you revved the engine.
I removed the thermostat and was not impressed with the flow of fluid through the system and when I flushed the system it seemed to have little flow unless you revved the engine. I sought a replacement water pump and noticed that two different pumps are listed at NAPA one clockwise and one counterclockwise. After investigating I found the belt turns the pump clockwise and ordered the pump. It came in counterclockwise so I ordered the other pump and it to was counterclockwise. I ordered one from your company and it to was counterclockwise the one difference was the pump from your company had larger impellers. I took the car to my mechanic and he said he was not sure what the problem was he replaced the thermostat and had the same problem. He did not think it was the water pump.
Both mechanics thought there might be an air pocket and the first said they tested for combustion gases in the cooling fluid and found none.
I have removed the thermostat to use it briefly

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March 6 3:22 PM (17 hours and 18 minutes and 31 seconds later)
         
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Hello!

I must admit, I am somewhat confused as to what parts lisings you are referencing... there appears to be only ONE water pump available for this engine, both in AC-Delco's listings and in NAPA's most up to date internet based parts catalogueing system. No mention is made at all of different pumps with different rotation directions.

The correct part number for an AC-Delco water pump is a 252-825; list price is $123.43.

The correct NAPA part number is a 559342; the alternate NAPA part numbers listed are a 571-526 which is a reman version of the 559342, and a 1652001, which is their cheap chinese line of pumps, but is interchangable with the other two. There is no mention made at all in any of the listings as to a reverse rotation design.

The correct thermostat temperature for this engine is a 195 degree stat; installing a thermostat that opens at a lower temperature is not a recommended practice, as this will cause the engine to run richer than normal (due to a lower than normal Coolant sensor reading). A long term rich condition can cause other problems, such as damage to your catalytic converter.

The symptom you describe (heater blowing cool before teh engine overheats) is indicative of low coolant level in the system. When the coolant level drops below a certain point, there is insufficient liquid available to flow through the heater core, and the first symptom you will notice while driving is loss of heater temperature. It is obviously not a blocked core, or you would NEVER have any heat.

The symptoms you describe are consistent with a head gasket sealing problem, allowing combustion gasses from a cylinder to seep into a cooling jacket. This heats the coolant very quickly, and the gas bubbles displace coolant into the overflow tank resulting in low coolant level in the engine and an evntual overheating condition. Sometimes, such sealing problems only occur at certain engine temperatures (as the block and head expand and contract).

It sounds as if the mechanic that looked at the car did not do a very thorough job in checking for the cause of the overheating problem, and just threw a thermostat at it in hopes that it would fix it. Thermostat operation can be easily tested, either by boiling it in a pot of water with a thermometer and watching to see what temperature it opens at, or by using a scan tool to monitor the engine temperature that the thermostat opens at.

I would suggest taking the car in to a competent, thorough repair facility to have the engine diagnosed correctly. Usually, this involves:

(1) Chemcal test to check for exhaust gas in the cooling system

(2) Cylinder leakdown test to check for head gasket seepage

(3) Cooling system pressure test to check for small leaks

(4) Checking the thermostat operation and cooling fan operation.

I hope this is helpful; if so, an accept would be most appreciated! thanks!

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